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la. NAME OF INTERYIEWER: Huebner
lb. DATE OF INTERVIEW: June 3, 1991
le. LENGTH OF INTERVIEW: 30 minutes
ld. HQIE:S:
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2. I.p. CQPE: Huebner 004
3. SEX: Female
4. ~= White
5. AGE:
6. PIVISIOH: Pacific
7. CQRRENT BANK/ASSIGNMENT:
8. MISC1 ~EBSQHAL DACKGROUNC:
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9. MISC. L.A.P.D. BACKGRQQNo:
10. FIELD TRAIHIHG -- SELECTION OF F1T10.s:
[Did not discuss.]
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11. FIELD TRAINING -- TRAINING OF F.T.O.s:
Attended FTO school more than one year after being assigned
her first probationer; got little out of FTO school; too heavily
emphasized paperwork; should have been more emphasis on how you
train recruits.
12. FIELD TRAINING -- MISCONDUCT BY I DISCIPLINE OF F.T.O.s:
[Did not discuss.]
13. FIELD TRAINING -- EVALUATION OF F.T.O.s' PERFORMANCE:
[Did not discuss.]
14. FIELD TRAINING -- ASSIGNMENT(S) TO PROBATIONERS:
[Did not discuss.]
15. FIELD TRAINING -- RELATIONSHIP WITH/ TRAINING OF PROBATIONERS:
Spends a lot of time explaining policies to probationers;
believes that too many FTOs simply tell their probationers to
"watch and learn"; not effective unless probationers understand
why you are doing what you are doing; she is suspected of being
a lesbian because she instructs her probationers to respect all
citizens, including gays/lesbians; is strict with her ·
probationers; does not attempt to become a buddy to them.
16. FIELD TRAINING -- EVALUATION OF PROBATIONERS:
She emphasizes communication skills and relations with
citizens in her evaluations of probationers; believes these skills
are not emphasized enough; too much emphasis on reports and
"paper-related" skills.
17. ROLL CALL TRAINING:
[Did not discuss.]
18. USE OF FORCE:
Believes officers should be allowed to use the bar-arm choke
hold; believes it is tactically unsound to put officers in a
position where they must beat a suspect senseless if there is any
resistance; does not understand why kicking, swarming, and choke
holds are not accorded more attention and respect.
19. RODNEY KING INCIDENT:
Was shocked by the videotape; the early hits were in policy,
but the final few were completely uncalled for; faults the
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sergeant for the problem; he was too directly involved and failed
to exert his authority; believes that the adrenaline rush is a
real phenomenon but too easy an excuse; a sergeant should be
experienced enough to keep himself under control, even after a
chase.
20. CITIZEN COMPLAINTS:
[Did not discuss.]
21. INTERNAL DISCIPLINE:
[Did not discuss.]
22. PROMOTION:
[Did not discuss.]
23. ASSIGNMENTS/TRANSFERS:
[Did not discuss.]
24. COMMUNITY POLICING I COMMUNITY RELATIONS:
Favors moving away from the paramilitary model of policing;
believes, however, that community-oriented policing -- involving ~
foot patrol and more citizen contact -- would require a lot of
money and manpower; current community based work such as DARE is
very labor intensive.
Believes that the way the Department interacts with the
community depends in large part on how it treats its own officers;
community policing would be a joke if discrimination/bias is
institutionalized in LAPD; you cannot respect citizens if you
mistreat officers who share those citizens' characteristics; "~
can't paint a smiley face on a Klansman and expect blacks to
applaud"; you cannot effectively interact with gay citizens if you
despise gays so much that you refuse to hire them.
Believes that unhappy patrol officers tend to take out their
frustrations on citizens; if patrol officers feel powerless in
their relations with unsympathetic higher-ups, the temptation is
great to exert more power in the field.
25. GAYS/LESBIANS:
Recalls constant belittling of gays/lesbians when she was at
the Academy; a Sgt. Barber was particularly offensive; sat
through a gay/lesbian sensitivity class taught by civilians when
she was at the Academy; the recruits "turned off" because
supervisors told them to ignore the "faggots."
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Has witnessed verbal harassment of suspected gays/lesbians;
has witnessed defacing of lockers and personal effects of suspected
gay~/lesbians; Southwest and Rampart are particularly notorious
for such incidents; has seen officers labelled as gay ("guilty by
association") for not avoiding suspected gays/lesbians.
Fabricated boyfriends to get through the application process;
was aware of at least five other lesbians in her class who did the
same; is aware of one recruit who could not manufacture a
boyfriend who was rejected for "lack of maturity" [the officer
would not reveal the applicant's name to me without getting that
person's approval].
26. WOMEN:
[ Nothing noteworthy to discuss.]
27. RACIAL MINORITIES:
[Did not discuss.]
28. ATTITUDES/OPINIONS RE L.A.P.D.:
Happy with her work but believes that higher-ups "live in a
different world"; higher-ups set a negative tone that makes field
work less enjoyable; too much disrespect of patrol officers.
29. REFORM SUGGESTIONS:
(a) Eliminate all discrimination against gays/lesbians;
issue a directive expressly forbidding such discrimination;
actively recruit gays/lesbians for a short period in order to gain
the community's trust and redress the current imbalance on the
force;
(b) reward officers for staying in the field;
(c) force the "squints" out from behind their desks and into
the field periodically.
30. CODE OF SILENCE:
[Nothing noteworthy to discuss.]
50. MISCELLANEOUS:
[Nothing noteworthy to add.]
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