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Warren Christopher CHAIR John A. Arguelles VICEOWR MEMBERS Roy A. Anderson Willie R. Barnes Prof. Leo F. Esirada Mickey Kantor Richard M. Mosk INDEPENDENT COMMISSION ON THE Los ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT June 7th 1 9 9 1 John W. Spiegel CENEW. COUNSEL DEJ>lTTY GENERAL COUNSEL Percy Anderson Richard E. Drooyan Gary A. Fccss Raymond C. Fisher Ernest J. Getto Lawrence B. Gotlieb Thomas E. Holliday Andrea Sheridan Ordin John Brooks Slaughter Robert E. Tuwquada, M.D. Barbara J. Kelley Louise A. LaMothe Yolan da Oroz.co Gilbert T. Ray EXEC1JTIVE DIRECTOR Prof. Bry ce Nelson DIRECTOR FOR PRESS INFORMATION Mr. Herman Siegel President Man ageme nt Engineering Affiliates P.O. Box 8114 Calabasas , CA 91372 Dear Mr. Siegel: Dennis M. Perluss John B. Sherrell Brian A. Sun On behalf of Warren Christopher and the Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, I am writing to thank you for your letter of May 30, 1991. With its very short deadline and heavy re sponsibilities, the Commission h opes that you will understand that it is not possible to respond in detail to your l etter . However , your letter has b een read and will be made a part of the Commission files for further review by the Commissioners and staff . GTR:lrg We again thank you for writing . Very truly y ours, Gilbert T . Ray Executive Director Suite 1910 400 So uth Hope Street Los Angeles, California 9007 1- 2899 Tel ephone (213) 622-5205 Facsimile (213) 622 -7318 (818) 888·6507 (818) 712 -9934 FAX (818) 702-6411 PO Box 8114 Calabasas, CA 9 1372 MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVEMENT Herm Siegel President MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES Hon . Warren Christopher, Chairman 30 May 1991 Independent Commtsston on the Los Angeles Poltce Department 400 South Hope Street, Su1te 191 O Los Angeles, CA 90071-2899 Subject: My Personal Statement to the Commission r-E c 'c:J . ~ ( 5( c1 I l.ll f I. c . Reference: Commissslon Pub11c Hearing in Woodland Hills 29 May 1991 Dear Mr . Chistopher: I attended the referent hearing but was unable to address the Commission at that time . I prepared the attached statement in lieu thereof and offer It to you at this time. One of the speakers at the hearing was a reserve LAPD officer and I wholeheartedly support his remarks . As a reserve deputy sheriff, with the LASD for almost 30 years, I bele1ve that such views should be of vital import to the Commission. As citizen/law enforcement persons we have a foot In both camps , so to speak. For myself, be assured that I have no axe to grind and consider the attached statement to be responsibly ob jectlve. I am interested In the well being of this community and feel th1s act contributes to that circumstance . It must be stated here that I do not condone the brutal use of excessive force shown 1n that portion of the tape of the beating of Rodney Klng . It must also be stated here that I have never seen the use of excessive force by LASD or LAPD or other PDs during the course of my many years in the fteld. Finally, I have nothing but admiration for Chief Gates, both now and In the past, and nothing but disdain for Mayor Bradley who has divided this community as never before for what I interpret as petty polltlcal gains . PRODUCT IVITY IMPROVEMENT P.O . Box 811 4 • Calabasas, CA 91372 • (818) 888-6507 • (818) 712-9934 • FAX (818) 702-6411 MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES Page 2 of 2 Pages I hope you can conduct your review and make recommendations without the undue political infuence we have seen applied in the past. I would be pleased to make any statement you may wish, under oath , at a mutually convenient time . "Jr. truly : s, ~~1egel ~ HS :jg Attach 3 pgs CC Mayor Bradley Chief Gates Sheriff Block Councilman Ferraro 29 MAY 1991 Page 1 of 3 Pages To : The "Christopher Comm1ss1on" From : Herman Siegel Subject : A Statement for the Comm1ss1on My name 1s Herman S1egel. We res1de at 22808 Gershwin Dr1ve, Woodland H1lls CA 91364. We have resided 1n Cal1forn1a for 35 years; I was educated at n1ght at El Camino J.C. (AA), U.S .C. CBS and MBA). My wife Rosalyn and I have been marrted for 44 years; we have two ch11dren and two grandch1ldren . We have been ltvtng at th1s address for 20 years. I am early retired from the Hughes Aircraft Company; at retirement I was Corporate Director of Special Projects. Since 1981 I have headed my own consulting company, MEA Inc., tnvolved with Productivity Improvement. My w1fe also retired early from Hughes as a Computer App11cat1on Specialtst. S1nce 1964 I have been a fully POST qualif1ed reserve member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department(LASD). I am a Level One Reserve Officer w1th the rank of Lieutenant. Presently I am assigned to a Special1st Reserve Company and perform analytic and administrative tasks tn support of the LASO activities. I had a s1gn1f1cant role tn Olymptc security planning, for example, and conttnue to perform vartous planning and analysts tasks . With regard to LASO reserve activities by persons such as myself, the following Is for your Information. A Reserve Deputy takes almost the same training at the Sheriff Academy as a Regular but does so on weekends and evenings . Difficult entrance requirements are established and many candidates are dismissed from each class matriculating. We are paid one dollar a year and therefore considered employees of LASO. It ts not possible for an outsider to distinguish between an LASO Uniformed Reserve and an LASD Uniformed Regular deputy . This ls equally true of Reserves and Regulars performing detective functions. Depending upon the Reserve Level one achieves and maintains, you are expected as a Level One to perform as either the driver or operator (book man) of a patrol unit on a normal station shift and accomplish all requisite duties as would a regular. In plainclothes as a detective, the same ts true . Level Two Reserve Deputies perform fn slightly different ways and have slightly different obligations. The State Penal Code and the LASO Manual of Policy and Procedure spell out these matters. LAPD are organized in a similar fashion. A specia l Bureau administers to LASO Reserve needs, the Reserve Forces Bureau, headed by a regular Captain and both sworn and civilian personnel . • Page 2 of 3 Pages Of the past 26 years of this association, 18 have been spent In Unlf ormed Patrol, Adult Felony Detective and Juvenile Detective activity. After completing a full course of Instruction at the LASD Academy at night and on weekends, I was assigned to the Lennox Station and performed most of my Patrol and Detective activities there on the PM shift. We would be assigned to other Stations In emergent situations and I have worked the Firestone, Malibu and Temp l e Stations under those circumstances . I also worked the Early Morning and Day shifts when necessary, though Infrequently. In order to maintain my classification, I periodically qualify at the LASD shooting range; take special training courses; undergo First Aid and other periodic POST requirements . During my Patrol activity period of service I worked the Watts Riot and two of the three East Los Angeles Riots and also was assigned to special details on various occa1slons. I have made many arrests during normal Patrol periods and attended numerous pre-trial hearings. During my Patrol and Detective activities I would come In contact with the Los Angeles Poltce Department patrol, supervisory and detective units fn the field. Often we would support each other In an event t hat was unfo l ding. These events of frequent cooperation took place most often in the Vermont patrol area of the Lennox Station. Additionally we would be In contact with and In support of or by other Police Departments< Le Gardena, Inglewood, Hawthorne, etc) In other Patrol Districts of the Lennox Station such as Ladera Heights, View Park, etc. With respect to all of these primary patrol activities with LASD as well as supportive activities with LAPD and other PDs I have never once seen the use of excessive force In the course of accomplishing an assignment or In support of or by another PD and I specifically Include the LAPD here. Be assured that many of these events required the use of force. My observations and recollections are clear In this matter In that not once did I observe the use or excessive force, nor have I ever been accused of using excessive force myself nor was my Regular or Reserve partner so accused or observed to use excessive force . Page 3 of 3 Pages Also be assured that on occas1on dumb things were done and good pol1cy and procedure were not followed; thfs on the part of LASO, LAPO other POs and myself . I m1ght also note that this was also true during my service as a Combat Alrcrewman In the U.S.Navy flying with carrier based composite squadrons during WW 11. In the heat of the moment ft was and Is not that uncommon to fa11 to follow the "Book" . People are people and fallible. CONCLUSION Then In my LASO career and even more so now I think the thing creating the greatest feeling of frustration and disappointment to me, and perhaps to many other officers of the Jaw, ls the failure of the California Cr1m1nal Justice System to most frequently perform one of Its most Important functions of 'letting the punishment flt the crime·, and the total failure of the Juvenile Justice System. Some may argue as to what Is the primary function of a Justice system; I believe that justice to be just, must as one of Its primary attribute, make crime not pay . That Is not the case in the State of California. Another thought for your consideration Is my observation that the continuous construction of Class A jails In California Is totally unreasonable. The need for Incarceration of a greater percentage of our population Is self evident; and for incarceration for longer periods of time. There Is absolutely no need to house non-violent or non-dangerous prisoners in such costly to construct and maintain, elaborate fac11 ltles. Use of existing but unused Federal facilities, such as Camp Roberts, for example, would more than suffice. Additionally, the rate of recidivism might drop considerably because of the plain pipe rack type of fac111tles these type are. Similarly, privatisation of detention fac111tles for both pretrial and sentenced persons, male and female adults, whose records Indicate non-violent/dangerous behavior should be established. This can both reduce cost and Improve the handlfng of suspects and convicted persons.
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Title | Letters between Siegel & Independent Commission, 1991 May-June |
Description | Gilbert T. Ray (Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department), 400 South Hope Street, Los Angeles, California, letter, 1991 June 7, to Herman Siegel (Management Engineering Affiliates), Calabasas, California. ❧ Business card for Herman Siegel, President, Managment Engineering Affiliates, Calabasas, California. ❧ Herman Siegel (Management Engineering Affiliates), Calabasas, California, letter, 1991 May 30, to Warren Christopher (Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department), 400 South Hope Street, Los Angeles, California, re My personal statement to the Commission. ❧ Herman Siegel, memorandum, 1991 May 29, to Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, re A statement for the Commission. |
Geographic subject (roadway) | 400 South Hope Street |
Geographic subject (city or populated place) | Los Angeles; Calabasas |
Geographic subject (county) | Los Angeles |
Geographic subject (state) | California |
Geographic subject (country) | USA |
Geographic coordinates | 34.051552,-118.255687 |
Coverage date | 1991-05-29; 1991-05-30; 1991-06-07 |
Creator |
Ray, Gilbert T.Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department Siegel, Herman Management Engineering Affiliates |
Contributor |
Siegel, Herman, recipient Management Engineering Affiliates, recipient Christopher, Warren, recipient Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, recipient |
Date created | 1991-05-29; 1991-05-30; 1991-06-07 |
Type | texts |
Format | 7 p. |
Format (aat) |
correspondence business cards memorandums |
Format (imt) | application/pdf |
Contributing entity | University of Southern California |
Series | Independent Commission File List |
File | Complaints, suggestions, and support |
Box and folder | box 23, folder 18, item 15 |
Physical access | Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@dots.usc.edu |
Full text | Warren Christopher CHAIR John A. Arguelles VICEOWR MEMBERS Roy A. Anderson Willie R. Barnes Prof. Leo F. Esirada Mickey Kantor Richard M. Mosk INDEPENDENT COMMISSION ON THE Los ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT June 7th 1 9 9 1 John W. Spiegel CENEW. COUNSEL DEJ>lTTY GENERAL COUNSEL Percy Anderson Richard E. Drooyan Gary A. Fccss Raymond C. Fisher Ernest J. Getto Lawrence B. Gotlieb Thomas E. Holliday Andrea Sheridan Ordin John Brooks Slaughter Robert E. Tuwquada, M.D. Barbara J. Kelley Louise A. LaMothe Yolan da Oroz.co Gilbert T. Ray EXEC1JTIVE DIRECTOR Prof. Bry ce Nelson DIRECTOR FOR PRESS INFORMATION Mr. Herman Siegel President Man ageme nt Engineering Affiliates P.O. Box 8114 Calabasas , CA 91372 Dear Mr. Siegel: Dennis M. Perluss John B. Sherrell Brian A. Sun On behalf of Warren Christopher and the Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, I am writing to thank you for your letter of May 30, 1991. With its very short deadline and heavy re sponsibilities, the Commission h opes that you will understand that it is not possible to respond in detail to your l etter . However , your letter has b een read and will be made a part of the Commission files for further review by the Commissioners and staff . GTR:lrg We again thank you for writing . Very truly y ours, Gilbert T . Ray Executive Director Suite 1910 400 So uth Hope Street Los Angeles, California 9007 1- 2899 Tel ephone (213) 622-5205 Facsimile (213) 622 -7318 (818) 888·6507 (818) 712 -9934 FAX (818) 702-6411 PO Box 8114 Calabasas, CA 9 1372 MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVEMENT Herm Siegel President MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES Hon . Warren Christopher, Chairman 30 May 1991 Independent Commtsston on the Los Angeles Poltce Department 400 South Hope Street, Su1te 191 O Los Angeles, CA 90071-2899 Subject: My Personal Statement to the Commission r-E c 'c:J . ~ ( 5( c1 I l.ll f I. c . Reference: Commissslon Pub11c Hearing in Woodland Hills 29 May 1991 Dear Mr . Chistopher: I attended the referent hearing but was unable to address the Commission at that time . I prepared the attached statement in lieu thereof and offer It to you at this time. One of the speakers at the hearing was a reserve LAPD officer and I wholeheartedly support his remarks . As a reserve deputy sheriff, with the LASD for almost 30 years, I bele1ve that such views should be of vital import to the Commission. As citizen/law enforcement persons we have a foot In both camps , so to speak. For myself, be assured that I have no axe to grind and consider the attached statement to be responsibly ob jectlve. I am interested In the well being of this community and feel th1s act contributes to that circumstance . It must be stated here that I do not condone the brutal use of excessive force shown 1n that portion of the tape of the beating of Rodney Klng . It must also be stated here that I have never seen the use of excessive force by LASD or LAPD or other PDs during the course of my many years in the fteld. Finally, I have nothing but admiration for Chief Gates, both now and In the past, and nothing but disdain for Mayor Bradley who has divided this community as never before for what I interpret as petty polltlcal gains . PRODUCT IVITY IMPROVEMENT P.O . Box 811 4 • Calabasas, CA 91372 • (818) 888-6507 • (818) 712-9934 • FAX (818) 702-6411 MANAGEMENT ENGINEERING AFFILIATES Page 2 of 2 Pages I hope you can conduct your review and make recommendations without the undue political infuence we have seen applied in the past. I would be pleased to make any statement you may wish, under oath , at a mutually convenient time . "Jr. truly : s, ~~1egel ~ HS :jg Attach 3 pgs CC Mayor Bradley Chief Gates Sheriff Block Councilman Ferraro 29 MAY 1991 Page 1 of 3 Pages To : The "Christopher Comm1ss1on" From : Herman Siegel Subject : A Statement for the Comm1ss1on My name 1s Herman S1egel. We res1de at 22808 Gershwin Dr1ve, Woodland H1lls CA 91364. We have resided 1n Cal1forn1a for 35 years; I was educated at n1ght at El Camino J.C. (AA), U.S .C. CBS and MBA). My wife Rosalyn and I have been marrted for 44 years; we have two ch11dren and two grandch1ldren . We have been ltvtng at th1s address for 20 years. I am early retired from the Hughes Aircraft Company; at retirement I was Corporate Director of Special Projects. Since 1981 I have headed my own consulting company, MEA Inc., tnvolved with Productivity Improvement. My w1fe also retired early from Hughes as a Computer App11cat1on Specialtst. S1nce 1964 I have been a fully POST qualif1ed reserve member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff Department(LASD). I am a Level One Reserve Officer w1th the rank of Lieutenant. Presently I am assigned to a Special1st Reserve Company and perform analytic and administrative tasks tn support of the LASO activities. I had a s1gn1f1cant role tn Olymptc security planning, for example, and conttnue to perform vartous planning and analysts tasks . With regard to LASO reserve activities by persons such as myself, the following Is for your Information. A Reserve Deputy takes almost the same training at the Sheriff Academy as a Regular but does so on weekends and evenings . Difficult entrance requirements are established and many candidates are dismissed from each class matriculating. We are paid one dollar a year and therefore considered employees of LASO. It ts not possible for an outsider to distinguish between an LASO Uniformed Reserve and an LASD Uniformed Regular deputy . This ls equally true of Reserves and Regulars performing detective functions. Depending upon the Reserve Level one achieves and maintains, you are expected as a Level One to perform as either the driver or operator (book man) of a patrol unit on a normal station shift and accomplish all requisite duties as would a regular. In plainclothes as a detective, the same ts true . Level Two Reserve Deputies perform fn slightly different ways and have slightly different obligations. The State Penal Code and the LASO Manual of Policy and Procedure spell out these matters. LAPD are organized in a similar fashion. A specia l Bureau administers to LASO Reserve needs, the Reserve Forces Bureau, headed by a regular Captain and both sworn and civilian personnel . • Page 2 of 3 Pages Of the past 26 years of this association, 18 have been spent In Unlf ormed Patrol, Adult Felony Detective and Juvenile Detective activity. After completing a full course of Instruction at the LASD Academy at night and on weekends, I was assigned to the Lennox Station and performed most of my Patrol and Detective activities there on the PM shift. We would be assigned to other Stations In emergent situations and I have worked the Firestone, Malibu and Temp l e Stations under those circumstances . I also worked the Early Morning and Day shifts when necessary, though Infrequently. In order to maintain my classification, I periodically qualify at the LASD shooting range; take special training courses; undergo First Aid and other periodic POST requirements . During my Patrol activity period of service I worked the Watts Riot and two of the three East Los Angeles Riots and also was assigned to special details on various occa1slons. I have made many arrests during normal Patrol periods and attended numerous pre-trial hearings. During my Patrol and Detective activities I would come In contact with the Los Angeles Poltce Department patrol, supervisory and detective units fn the field. Often we would support each other In an event t hat was unfo l ding. These events of frequent cooperation took place most often in the Vermont patrol area of the Lennox Station. Additionally we would be In contact with and In support of or by other Police Departments< Le Gardena, Inglewood, Hawthorne, etc) In other Patrol Districts of the Lennox Station such as Ladera Heights, View Park, etc. With respect to all of these primary patrol activities with LASD as well as supportive activities with LAPD and other PDs I have never once seen the use of excessive force In the course of accomplishing an assignment or In support of or by another PD and I specifically Include the LAPD here. Be assured that many of these events required the use of force. My observations and recollections are clear In this matter In that not once did I observe the use or excessive force, nor have I ever been accused of using excessive force myself nor was my Regular or Reserve partner so accused or observed to use excessive force . Page 3 of 3 Pages Also be assured that on occas1on dumb things were done and good pol1cy and procedure were not followed; thfs on the part of LASO, LAPO other POs and myself . I m1ght also note that this was also true during my service as a Combat Alrcrewman In the U.S.Navy flying with carrier based composite squadrons during WW 11. In the heat of the moment ft was and Is not that uncommon to fa11 to follow the "Book" . People are people and fallible. CONCLUSION Then In my LASO career and even more so now I think the thing creating the greatest feeling of frustration and disappointment to me, and perhaps to many other officers of the Jaw, ls the failure of the California Cr1m1nal Justice System to most frequently perform one of Its most Important functions of 'letting the punishment flt the crime·, and the total failure of the Juvenile Justice System. Some may argue as to what Is the primary function of a Justice system; I believe that justice to be just, must as one of Its primary attribute, make crime not pay . That Is not the case in the State of California. Another thought for your consideration Is my observation that the continuous construction of Class A jails In California Is totally unreasonable. The need for Incarceration of a greater percentage of our population Is self evident; and for incarceration for longer periods of time. There Is absolutely no need to house non-violent or non-dangerous prisoners in such costly to construct and maintain, elaborate fac11 ltles. Use of existing but unused Federal facilities, such as Camp Roberts, for example, would more than suffice. Additionally, the rate of recidivism might drop considerably because of the plain pipe rack type of fac111tles these type are. Similarly, privatisation of detention fac111tles for both pretrial and sentenced persons, male and female adults, whose records Indicate non-violent/dangerous behavior should be established. This can both reduce cost and Improve the handlfng of suspects and convicted persons. |
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