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PERSONNEL COMPLAINT, I.A. NO. 86-600
Page 195
his fingers; moreover, Ramirez said that he maintained a distance
of four to five feet from Pellegrino as he brushed the papers on
the floor and spoke to Pellegrino. At no time prior to
Pellegrino initiating physical contact with him did he (Ramirez)
come closer than four to five feet of Pellegrino.
Detective Ramirez stated in response to what manner had
Detectives Montgomery and Nuckles pulled Pellegrino off him, that
he could only recall that Nuckles and Montgomery were standing on
either side of Pellegrino, and that they had made contact with
Pellegrino, but that he was not sure of how they had pulled
Pellegrino off him and that Nuckles and Montgomery had led
Pellegrino away, and that he went with them of his own volition.
Ramirez did recall someone say, "Knock it off" during the
altercation and prior to Pellegrino being pulled off of him;
however, he could not recall who made the statement.
Ramirez further stated that during the phone conversation with
Pellegrino, that Pellegrino had apologized to him and he had no
reason to apologize to Pellegrino, so he did not. In regards to
why the helmet was left on Ramirez' desk, Ramirez felt that by
leaving the helmet on the desk, its presence would send a message
to Pellegrino to keep his hands off him, because Pellegrino had
promised to keep his hands off Ramirez when he called to
apologize and that was when Ramirez accepted Pellegrino's
apology. Ramirez stated he was never told by Lieutenant Hall or
anyone else to remove the helmet from his desk, and that he
finally removed it and kept it as evidence, because he knew he
was going to be filing a grievance; moreover, Ramirez said he
never thought that the helmet was a joke, and he never said that
to anyone. Ramirez also recalled that a note had been attached
to the helmet at the time Lieutenant Hall- had given it to him.
However, he could not recall the contents of the note, and could
not say for sure if Lieutenant Hall had written it.
Regarding the statement, "How's the little Mexican asshole
doing?", that Ramirez alleged Lieutenant Massey made, Ramirez
said the statement was not made in anger, but just as a matter of
fact.
Ramirez said the reason he had waited so long to bring everything
out in the open, was that he was attempting to get along with
everyone in the O.I.S. Section, as well as promote to Detective
III within the Section. Ramirez said that Lieutenant Hall told
him that he was not going to make Detective III in the Section
because he was not qualified to conduct interviews of officers
involved in complicated shootings. Ramirez said Lieutenant Hall
also said that he would assist him in finding a spot elsewhere,
because he (Ramirez) was qualified to be a Detective III
somewhere else, perhaps in a specialized division, a geographic
Object Description
| Title | Correspondence: complaints against LAPD (1 of 2), [after 1989-09] |
| Description | Operations Headquarters Bureau, Los Angeles Police Department (Stephen C. Coker and Marty Cotwright), memorandum, to Detective Services Group, Los Angeles Police Department (J. Bova), re I.A. no. 86-600: Department complaint alleging unbecoming conduct against Detective III Elmer Pellegrino (serial no. 12470), Detective III Wallace Montgomery (serial no. 16136), Detective III Carlos Ramirez (serial no. 13427), Lieutenant II Charles Massey (serial no. 11880), and an unknown officder, Robbery Homicide Division (RHD); Department complaint alleging unbecoming conduct and neglect of duty against Lieutenant II William Hall (serial no. 13726, RHD. PART OF A SERIES: Materials in the series fall into one of several categories related to the Independent Commission's work product: (1) Commission meeting materials, which include meeting agendas, work plans, memoranda, and articles about police misconduct that were circulated and reviewed during the Commission's internal meetings; (2) public correspondence, which includes citizen complaints against the LAPD in the form of written testimony, articles, and an audio cassette tape, as well as letters drafted by citizens in support of the LAPD; (3) summaries of interviews held with LAPD officers regarding Departmental procedures and relations; (4) public meeting materials, which include transcripts, supplementary documents, and witness statements that were reviewed at the Commission's public meetings; (5) press releases related to the formation and work product of the Commission; and (6) miscellaneous materials reviewed by the Commission during its study, including LAPD personnel and training manuals, a memorandum of understanding, and messages from the LAPD's Mobile Digital Terminal (MDT) system. |
| Coverage date | 1981-03/1989-08-16 |
| Creator |
Coker, C. Cotwright, Marty Los Angeles Police Department. Operations Headquarters Bureau |
| Contributor |
Bova, J., recipient Los Angeles Police Department. Detective Services Group, recipient |
| Publisher (of the digital version) | University of Southern California |
| Date created | [after 1989-09] |
| Type | texts |
| Format | 241 p. |
| Format (aat) | memorandums |
| Format (imt) | application/pdf |
| Language | English |
| Contributing entity | University of Southern California |
| Part of collection | Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, 1991 |
| Series | Independent Commission File List |
| File | Complaints, suggestions, and support |
| Box and folder | box 23, folder 5 |
| Provenance | The collection was given to the University of Southern California on July 31, 1991. |
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| Physical access | Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@dots.usc.edu |
| Repository name | USC Libraries Special Collections |
| Repository address | Doheny Memorial Library, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189 |
| Repository email | specol@dots.usc.edu |
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| Title | Correspondence: complaints against LAPD (1 of 2), [after 1989-09], p. 192 |
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| Physical access | Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@dots.usc.edu |
| Full text | PERSONNEL COMPLAINT, I.A. NO. 86-600 Page 195 his fingers; moreover, Ramirez said that he maintained a distance of four to five feet from Pellegrino as he brushed the papers on the floor and spoke to Pellegrino. At no time prior to Pellegrino initiating physical contact with him did he (Ramirez) come closer than four to five feet of Pellegrino. Detective Ramirez stated in response to what manner had Detectives Montgomery and Nuckles pulled Pellegrino off him, that he could only recall that Nuckles and Montgomery were standing on either side of Pellegrino, and that they had made contact with Pellegrino, but that he was not sure of how they had pulled Pellegrino off him and that Nuckles and Montgomery had led Pellegrino away, and that he went with them of his own volition. Ramirez did recall someone say, "Knock it off" during the altercation and prior to Pellegrino being pulled off of him; however, he could not recall who made the statement. Ramirez further stated that during the phone conversation with Pellegrino, that Pellegrino had apologized to him and he had no reason to apologize to Pellegrino, so he did not. In regards to why the helmet was left on Ramirez' desk, Ramirez felt that by leaving the helmet on the desk, its presence would send a message to Pellegrino to keep his hands off him, because Pellegrino had promised to keep his hands off Ramirez when he called to apologize and that was when Ramirez accepted Pellegrino's apology. Ramirez stated he was never told by Lieutenant Hall or anyone else to remove the helmet from his desk, and that he finally removed it and kept it as evidence, because he knew he was going to be filing a grievance; moreover, Ramirez said he never thought that the helmet was a joke, and he never said that to anyone. Ramirez also recalled that a note had been attached to the helmet at the time Lieutenant Hall- had given it to him. However, he could not recall the contents of the note, and could not say for sure if Lieutenant Hall had written it. Regarding the statement, "How's the little Mexican asshole doing?", that Ramirez alleged Lieutenant Massey made, Ramirez said the statement was not made in anger, but just as a matter of fact. Ramirez said the reason he had waited so long to bring everything out in the open, was that he was attempting to get along with everyone in the O.I.S. Section, as well as promote to Detective III within the Section. Ramirez said that Lieutenant Hall told him that he was not going to make Detective III in the Section because he was not qualified to conduct interviews of officers involved in complicated shootings. Ramirez said Lieutenant Hall also said that he would assist him in finding a spot elsewhere, because he (Ramirez) was qualified to be a Detective III somewhere else, perhaps in a specialized division, a geographic |
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