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PERSONNEL COMPLAINT, I.A. NO. 86-600
Page 170
of his,subordinates had become involved in an on-duty altercation
as this was not the case in that Ramirez' and Pellegrino's
actions were all done kiddingly and the incident was stopped
before it became something more serious. Nuckles further stated
that he did not recall seeing Pellegrino throw any objects across
the room but it could have happened and he just could not recall.
Similarly, he could not recall if Ramirez brushed any objects off
Pellegrino's table. Also, he could not recall Ramirez' back
striking any objects on Bud Watts' table but there were various
objects on the table such as a stapler, telephone, and a picture
frame.
Nuckles stated that within a day or two after the incident with
Ramirez and Pellegrino, he saw a miniature baseball helmet on
Ramirez' desk. Nuckles did not see who gave it to Ramirez but
Ramirez told him that Lieutenant Hall gave it to him. Ramirez
told him (Nuckles) that when Lieutenant Hall gave it to him, he
told him to use it if he was going to mess with Pellegrino.
Ramirez appeared displeased by Lieutenant Hall's comments but
Nuckles could not recall specifically what Ramirez was upset
about. Nuckles stated that Ramirez might have been over
sensitive to the Lieutenant's comments because Ramirez had said
that Lieutenant Hall had embarrassed him at some shooting scenes
in the past by directing him in front of others to not do things
the way he (Ramirez) had been accustomed to doing regarding
officer-involved shooting investigations. In Nuckles' opinion,
Ramirez and Lieutenant Hall were dissimilar in personality and
that, coupled with Ramirez feeling that Lieutenant Hall had
embarrassed or shown a lack of faith in him in the past, made him
over sensitive to the baseball helmet comments.
Nuckles stated that he had no recollection of Lieutenant Massey
ever calling Ramirez a "little Mexican asshole", or Ramirez ever
challenging Massey over anything.
Object Description
| Title | Correspondence: complaints against LAPD (1 of 2), [after 1989-09] |
| Description | Operations Headquarters Bureau, Los Angeles Police Department (Stephen C. Coker and Marty Cotwright), memorandum, to Detective Services Group, Los Angeles Police Department (J. Bova), re I.A. no. 86-600: Department complaint alleging unbecoming conduct against Detective III Elmer Pellegrino (serial no. 12470), Detective III Wallace Montgomery (serial no. 16136), Detective III Carlos Ramirez (serial no. 13427), Lieutenant II Charles Massey (serial no. 11880), and an unknown officder, Robbery Homicide Division (RHD); Department complaint alleging unbecoming conduct and neglect of duty against Lieutenant II William Hall (serial no. 13726, RHD. PART OF A SERIES: Materials in the series fall into one of several categories related to the Independent Commission's work product: (1) Commission meeting materials, which include meeting agendas, work plans, memoranda, and articles about police misconduct that were circulated and reviewed during the Commission's internal meetings; (2) public correspondence, which includes citizen complaints against the LAPD in the form of written testimony, articles, and an audio cassette tape, as well as letters drafted by citizens in support of the LAPD; (3) summaries of interviews held with LAPD officers regarding Departmental procedures and relations; (4) public meeting materials, which include transcripts, supplementary documents, and witness statements that were reviewed at the Commission's public meetings; (5) press releases related to the formation and work product of the Commission; and (6) miscellaneous materials reviewed by the Commission during its study, including LAPD personnel and training manuals, a memorandum of understanding, and messages from the LAPD's Mobile Digital Terminal (MDT) system. |
| Coverage date | 1981-03/1989-08-16 |
| Creator |
Coker, C. Cotwright, Marty Los Angeles Police Department. Operations Headquarters Bureau |
| Contributor |
Bova, J., recipient Los Angeles Police Department. Detective Services Group, recipient |
| Publisher (of the digital version) | University of Southern California |
| Date created | [after 1989-09] |
| Type | texts |
| Format | 241 p. |
| Format (aat) | memorandums |
| Format (imt) | application/pdf |
| Language | English |
| Contributing entity | University of Southern California |
| Part of collection | Independent Commission on the Los Angeles Police Department, 1991 |
| Series | Independent Commission File List |
| File | Complaints, suggestions, and support |
| Box and folder | box 23, folder 5 |
| Provenance | The collection was given to the University of Southern California on July 31, 1991. |
| Rights | This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License. https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ All requests for permission to publish or quote from manuscripts must be submitted in writing to the Manuscripts Librarian. Permission for publication is given on behalf of Special Collections as the owner of the physical items and is not intended to include or imply permission of the copyright holder, which must also be obtained. |
| Physical access | Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@dots.usc.edu |
| Repository name | USC Libraries Special Collections |
| Repository address | Doheny Memorial Library, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189 |
| Repository email | specol@dots.usc.edu |
| Filename | indep-box23-05 |
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| Title | Correspondence: complaints against LAPD (1 of 2), [after 1989-09], p. 167 |
| Format (imt) | image/tiff |
| Physical access | Contact: Special Collections, Doheny Memorial Library, Libraries, University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0189; specol@dots.usc.edu |
| Full text | PERSONNEL COMPLAINT, I.A. NO. 86-600 Page 170 of his,subordinates had become involved in an on-duty altercation as this was not the case in that Ramirez' and Pellegrino's actions were all done kiddingly and the incident was stopped before it became something more serious. Nuckles further stated that he did not recall seeing Pellegrino throw any objects across the room but it could have happened and he just could not recall. Similarly, he could not recall if Ramirez brushed any objects off Pellegrino's table. Also, he could not recall Ramirez' back striking any objects on Bud Watts' table but there were various objects on the table such as a stapler, telephone, and a picture frame. Nuckles stated that within a day or two after the incident with Ramirez and Pellegrino, he saw a miniature baseball helmet on Ramirez' desk. Nuckles did not see who gave it to Ramirez but Ramirez told him that Lieutenant Hall gave it to him. Ramirez told him (Nuckles) that when Lieutenant Hall gave it to him, he told him to use it if he was going to mess with Pellegrino. Ramirez appeared displeased by Lieutenant Hall's comments but Nuckles could not recall specifically what Ramirez was upset about. Nuckles stated that Ramirez might have been over sensitive to the Lieutenant's comments because Ramirez had said that Lieutenant Hall had embarrassed him at some shooting scenes in the past by directing him in front of others to not do things the way he (Ramirez) had been accustomed to doing regarding officer-involved shooting investigations. In Nuckles' opinion, Ramirez and Lieutenant Hall were dissimilar in personality and that, coupled with Ramirez feeling that Lieutenant Hall had embarrassed or shown a lack of faith in him in the past, made him over sensitive to the baseball helmet comments. Nuckles stated that he had no recollection of Lieutenant Massey ever calling Ramirez a "little Mexican asshole", or Ramirez ever challenging Massey over anything. |
| Filename | indep-box23-05~167.tif |
| Archival file | Volume75/indep-box23-05~167.tif |
